[conspire] 21st century web platforms

[Ruben Safir]

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 11:01:08PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Paul Zander (paulz at ieee.org):
> 
> > The proper response should be to find someone actually knows the
> > subject and present it clearly.
> 
> Which is my cue to say that Ruben says it was _not_ this presentation on 
> 'Security Now' that he heard about Obj-C in the iOS security context,
> but rather some other podcast that neither of us can now find.
> 

This is the problem of using stitcher...

it goes from pocast to podcast, but it doesn't tell you what you heard
so if you don't remember, too bad on you.

So not even 5 years later and this is more or less ***poof*** from the
internet... :(

This is why I have a huge http://www.mrbrklyn.com/resources/ - just to
copy permanet records of things.

One of the other points we were making was about IOS having a sandbox..

that is tough for me to have faith in because until recently, they
didn't even have full pre-emptive multitasking on an iphone.  It seems
it has been added currenty and for a while it seemed to run a limited
multi-tasking system restricted to a few apps (I'm not sure how one
would write a scheduler for that).


> 
> > I've been puzzling over why Gibson and others achieve celebrity
> > status anyway.  Old saying, "If you can't dazzle them with
> > brilliance, baffle them with bullshit."
> 
> I remember in the late 80s/early 90s hearing Gibson on-stage somewhere
> at a PC-industry trade show holding forth with what was obvious to me to
> be utter drivel about hard drives, about which he was supposedly an
> industry expert on account of Spinrite.  And, of course, there was
> absolutely no opportunity for any better-informed person in the
> audience, including me (and I'm no expert) to contest the
> misinformation.  One had to, at best, take notes and then post a
> scathing takedown to Usenet.
> 
> I held my peace earlier about his more-recent prestige offering, the online
> service ShieldsUP, but here's a short version:
> 
> The user opens a Web browser to www.grc.com (Gibson Research), picks
> ShieldsUP, and requests what amounts to a remote portscan.  The site
> rummages around for a while and probes sundry ports on your presented
> public IP address, and then tells you that you are _safe or not_ from
> the mean, nasty Internet depending on whether www.grc.com was able to
> autoprobe network daemons at your public IP.
> 
> There are a bunch of bad assumptions:
> 
> 1.  That inaccessibility of network daemons from their IP means they
>     don't exist.
> 2.  That network daemons are inherently dangerous.
> 3.  That vulnerabilities local to your machine don't matter.
> 
> I remember, back in the day, being very amused when I ran the service
> from my server IP (probably using lynx) and was advised that my 'PC' 
> was in horrible danger because it was offering HTTP, HTTPS, SMTP, SSH, 
> rsync, NTP, and ftp connectivity to the mean, nasty Internet!
> 
> 
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