[conspire] Also, CCs off a mailing list you know I've muted

[Rick Moen]

>> Quoting Ruben Safir (ruben at mrbrklyn.com):
>> 
>> > Cc: conspire at linuxmafia.com, docs at mrbrklyn.com
>> 
>> Oh, _hell_ no.
> 
> Sorry

I appreciate the apology, and understand you just wish to share things,
in a generous spirit.


There's a related thing I need to mention, while I'm at it.  

tl;dr:  What's up with CCing me dozens of times on 'docs' after you knew
I'd set 'no mail' to avoid being blitzed by it, and would visit its
archives if I wanted to read its traffic?


Longer version:

On May 18th, I told you I'd set your 'docs' mailing list to 'no mail'
on my subscription, for five reasons:  (1) 'docs' had massively increased
my mailing-list traffic level, interfering with my getting things done.
(2) Most traffic was NYC-specific.  (3) Subscribers kept doing abusive
things like shoving entire movies out to all subscribers, but you as
listadmin didn't even scold them.  (4) There was way, way too much
ideological advocacy, flogging the same points over and over, even
though your chosen lot of regulars share the views in question, i.e.,
you kept obsessively propagandising each other with views you already
share.

(5) In gross violation of netiquette, you'd force-subcribed me, i.e.,
it wasn't a mailing list I'd actually elected to join in the first place.
Worse, you did this immediately after I had _just_ read you the riot act
for force-listing me onto 'docs' the first time, when you'd initially
implemented 'docs' via /etc/aliases.  So, it's like you weren't
listening when I said 'Never do this bad thing', and did it a second
time using slightly different technology.

On May 18th, I cut the flow by setting 'no mail', explained to you
why I was doing so, _and_ stressed that, whenever I wanted to read
'docs' traffic, I could & would do so via its Mailman archive.
And what has been happening since then?  You've done this, several dozen
times:

From: Ruben Safir <ruben at mrbrklyn.com>
To: docs at mrbrklyn.com
Cc: Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com>
Subject: [stuff]

You see the problem?  I'd gone out of my way to tell you I'd shut off
the 'docs' mail spigot shoved at my mailbox -- and you responded by
manually shoving more 'docs' mail at my mailbox.

I understand your desire to share things.  I keep trying to avoid flying
off the handle, and comment only after long & thoughtful contemplation.
Having done so, here's where I land:

If *I* had been yelled at by my friend _twice_ for shoving out 'docs' 
mail at him as a subscriber without his permission, and my friend had
told me he was reacting by shutting off his delivery spigot, and would
read the archive manually as he had time & interest, and if nonetheless
I suspected my friend would still want to read some of my 'docs'
postings, I would have asked my friend 'Hey, is it OK if I occcasionally
CC you on 'docs' postings I want you to see?'

But you didn't do that.

I don't enjoy yelling at you.  I particularly don't like having to tell
you _three_ times, to please cease doing basically the same thing.