[conspire] Cert debacle involving a billion certs
Michael Paoli
Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu
Tue Mar 19 01:37:52 PDT 2019
> From: "Rick Moen" <rick at linuxmafia.com>
> Subject: Re: [conspire] Cert debacle involving a billion certs
> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 14:24:41 -0700
> Quoting Paul Zander (paulz at ieee.org):
>
>> How many bits make something "secure"? 64 bits was deemed to be
>> "enough" in 2016, but that was 3 years ago. When does the 64 bit
>> requirement need to be increased?
>>
>> It's hard to get excited about 63 vs 64 bits except as an
>> embarrassment to big companies that should have done better.
>
> Vastly expanding the number of bits used for an encryption scheme, above
> and beyond current best practices, and thinking one has automatically
> improved things, is usually a bonehead error: The person making that
> error soon realises his/her mistake upon discovering that everything
> using the cipher now has unacceptably slow performance and very
> excessive computational overhead. _Or_, equally bad, other people's
> associated software breaks on handling the data.
Or ... they've "improved" the security there vastly (and wastefully)
beyond weaker point. E.g. DNSSEC - no use having any key larger than
the root (.) key. Rather like super strong/secure lock on a door -
why bother when it's so much easier to defeat the
door/hinges/frame/wall/use the key under the doormat/...
And ... one bit - a (binary) order of magnitude. Does it matter,
or not, and how much? "It depends". In this case, a cert - one
cert - or a few or whatever - not a big deal. Sure, not up to spec,
so not properly correct and secure as it ought be, but a handful,
not much real consequence. But ... thousands, ... millions such certs,
uhm ... small error, but ... at large/massive scale 8-O ... not so good.
And, what's an off-by-order-of-binary-magnitude matter? Well, ...
sometimes not much. Other times ... hmmm... should kids start
driving at about 8 years of age, and getting married and drinking
at 9 and 10.5 years? Uhm ... so, sometimes it quite does matter.
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