[conspire] conspire Digest, Vol 170, Issue 4
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2. is cabal go Sat. ? (bruce
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3. Re: is cabal go Sat. ? (Rick
Moen)
4. Re: Zotac and Shuttle and
Asu, oh my (durability) (Dana Goyette)
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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 14:30:42 -0800
From: Daniel Gimpelevich <daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us>
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On Wed, 2017-12-06 at 11:24 -0800, Dana
Goyette wrote:
> HP's parts store is at http://partsurfer.hp.com. You can search there
> by the system's SKU, then buy the
part there, or grab the part number
> to search other sellers.
Unfortunately, it doesn't help with
this, so the question stands:
> On Dec 6, 2017 7:41 AM, "Daniel
Gimpelevich"
> <daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us>
wrote:
> http://h22235.www2.hp.com/hpinfo/globalcitizenship/environment/productdata/Countries/_MultiCountry/disassembly_deskto_201511423012668.pdf
> Any
chance somebody knows a place where dead units get sent
> where
I
> might
fetch those exact antennae? I don't want to mount
>
generic ones
>
randomly.
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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 07:40:19 -0800
From: Daniel Gimpelevich <daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us>
To: conspire at linuxmafia.com
Subject: Re: [conspire] Zotac and
Shuttle and Asu, oh my (durability)
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On Mon, 2017-12-04 at 08:57 -0800,
Tony
Godshall wrote:
> > Example 2:? My new toy
the Zotac, at minimum, has appallingly
bad
> > prospects for I/O expansion
when viewed as a server.? Mass
storage
> > on a _quality_ interface is
limited to exactly one SATA
connector.
> > Possibly, one might also
count additional storage in the
SD/SDHC/SDXC
> > card reader, though I'm not
sure about speed.? External storage
is
> > possible only on USB.?
(But it's pretty damned good for $125
w/ 1 year
> > mfr. warranty.)
>
> By the way, we've had very
disappointing results with the
durability
> of Zotac units as
workstations.? We're back to Shuttle
DS68U and DX30
> units.? Single laptop-size
hard drive, dual laptop-size memory
sticks
> fanless.? We also like the
fact that we've had no driver troubles
with
> any of the hardware and they
have
serial ports and even PS/2 and VGA
> which helps in terms of swapping
out old machines, giving workstation
> machines a second life as
interfaces legacy industrial equipment
etc.
> (DX30 needs a header cable for
VGA, order it with).
>
> Other units we've been
disappointed with durability are
Lenovo Q180
> and Q190 and ASUS EB1021.? A
lot of the issues seem to have been
> fan and heat-related, so the
fanless nature of the Shuttle's should
be a
> benefit.
I ended up getting a refurb HP t730
Thin Client with a 16GB M.2 drive
for close to what I would've spent on
an APU2 for gateway/router use,
and I put a $20 quad Intel 350 NIC in
its slot, because the onboard is
Realtek. The much larger L2 cache
than
the APU2 has can come in very
handy if I have the thing running any
crypto, but it seems to idle at
17W on the Kill-A-Watt, which isn't
great for an always-on device, but
it could be a lot worse. Fanless
would've been nice, but barring the
APU2, I would've had to compromise
too
much. Thoughts on these in
comparison to the Zotac and Shuttle
units?
This one does not have the wifi card,
which is ubiquitous on eBay and
elsewhere, but unfortunately, the
internal antennae that mount to the
chassis are not. The only info I have
on the antennae is on page 19 of
this PDF:
http://h22235.www2.hp.com/hpinfo/globalcitizenship/environment/productdata/Countries/_MultiCountry/disassembly_deskto_201511423012668.pdf
Any chance somebody knows a place
where
dead units get sent where I
might fetch those exact antennae? I
don't want to mount generic ones
randomly.
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 11:24:49 -0800
From: Dana Goyette <danagoyette at gmail.com>
To: Daniel Gimpelevich <daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us>
Cc: Conspire List <conspire at linuxmafia.com>
Subject: Re: [conspire] Zotac and
Shuttle and Asu, oh my (durability)
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HP's parts store is at http://partsurfer.hp.com. You can search there by
the system's SKU, then buy the part
there, or grab the part number to
search other sellers.
On Dec 6, 2017 7:41 AM, "Daniel
Gimpelevich" <
daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us>
wrote:
> On Mon, 2017-12-04 at 08:57
-0800,
Tony Godshall wrote:
> > > Example 2:? My new
toy the Zotac, at minimum, has
appallingly bad
> > > prospects for I/O
expansion when viewed as a server.?
Mass storage
> > > on a _quality_
interface
is limited to exactly one SATA
connector.
> > > Possibly, one might
also
count additional storage in the
SD/SDHC/SDXC
> > > card reader, though
I'm
not sure about speed.? External
storage is
> > > possible only on
USB.? (But it's pretty damned good for
$125 w/ 1 year
> > > mfr. warranty.)
> >
> > By the way, we've had very
disappointing results with the
durability
> > of Zotac units as
workstations.? We're back to Shuttle
DS68U and DX30
> > units.? Single
laptop-size hard drive, dual
laptop-size memory sticks
> > fanless.? We also like
the fact that we've had no driver
troubles with
> > any of the hardware and
they
have serial ports and even PS/2 and
VGA
> > which helps in terms of
swapping out old machines, giving
workstation
> > machines a second life as
interfaces legacy industrial equipment
etc.
> > (DX30 needs a header cable
for VGA, order it with).
> >
> > Other units we've been
disappointed with durability are
Lenovo Q180
> > and Q190 and ASUS
EB1021.? A lot of the issues seem to
have been
> > fan and heat-related, so
the
fanless nature of the Shuttle's should
be a
> > benefit.
>
> I ended up getting a refurb HP
t730 Thin Client with a 16GB M.2
drive
> for close to what I would've
spent
on an APU2 for gateway/router use,
> and I put a $20 quad Intel 350
NIC
in its slot, because the onboard is
> Realtek. The much larger L2
cache
than the APU2 has can come in very
> handy if I have the thing
running
any crypto, but it seems to idle at
> 17W on the Kill-A-Watt, which
isn't great for an always-on device,
but
> it could be a lot worse. Fanless
would've been nice, but barring the
> APU2, I would've had to
compromise
too much. Thoughts on these in
> comparison to the Zotac and
Shuttle units?
>
> This one does not have the wifi
card, which is ubiquitous on eBay and
> elsewhere, but unfortunately,
the
internal antennae that mount to the
> chassis are not. The only info I
have on the antennae is on page 19 of
> this PDF:
> http://h22235.www2.hp.com/hpinfo/globalcitizenship/
>
environment/productdata/Countries/_MultiCountry/disassembly_deskto_
> 201511423012668.pdf
> Any chance somebody knows a
place
where dead units get sent where I
> might fetch those exact
antennae?
I don't want to mount generic ones
> randomly.
>
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 11:49:09 -0800
From: Tony Godshall <togo at of.net>
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...
>> I ended up getting a refurb
HP
t730 Thin Client with a 16GB M.2
drive
>> for close to what I would've
spent on an APU2 for gateway/router
use,
>> and I put a $20 quad Intel
350
NIC in its slot, because the onboard
is
>> Realtek.
Nice, what's the source?? I could
use some of those but I'm not seeing
them for less than $40 on amazon or
ebay.
...
>> The much larger L2 cache
than
the APU2 has can come in very
>> handy if I have the thing
running any crypto, but it seems to
idle at
>> 17W on the Kill-A-Watt,
which
isn't great for an always-on device,
but
>> it could be a lot worse.
Fanless would've been nice, but
barring the
>> APU2, I would've had to
compromise too much. Thoughts on these
in
>> comparison to the Zotac and
Shuttle units?
The two I mentioned are fanless.?
I'll do a power check when I get a
chance,
but I'm running spinning media
(SSHD),
so I don't know if it would be a good
comparison.
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 12:04:33 -0800
From: Dana Goyette <danagoyette at gmail.com>
To: Tony Godshall <togo at of.net>
Cc: Conspire List <conspire at linuxmafia.com>
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Shuttle and Asu, oh my (durability)
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Phoronix did a comparison of several
mini PCs, as well:
CompuLab IPC3, Testing 10 Mini PCs /
Small Form Factor Linux PCs
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=compulab-ipc3&num=1
On Dec 6, 2017 11:50 AM, "Tony
Godshall" <togo at of.net>
wrote:
> ...
> >> I ended up getting a
refurb HP t730 Thin Client with a 16GB
M.2 drive
> >> for close to what I
would've spent on an APU2 for
gateway/router use,
> >> and I put a $20 quad
Intel 350 NIC in its slot, because the
onboard is
> >> Realtek.
>
> Nice, what's the source?? I
could use some of those but I'm not
seeing
> them for less than $40 on amazon
or ebay.
>
> ...
> >> The much larger L2
cache
than the APU2 has can come in very
> >> handy if I have the
thing
running any crypto, but it seems to
idle at
> >> 17W on the Kill-A-Watt,
which isn't great for an always-on
device, but
> >> it could be a lot
worse.
Fanless would've been nice, but
barring the
> >> APU2, I would've had to
compromise too much. Thoughts on these
in
> >> comparison to the Zotac
and Shuttle units?
>
> The two I mentioned are
fanless.? I'll do a power check when I
get a
> chance,
> but I'm running spinning media
(SSHD), so I don't know if it would be
a
> good
> comparison.
>
>
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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 14:12:21 -0800
From: Daniel Gimpelevich <daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us>
To: conspire at linuxmafia.com
Subject: Re: [conspire] Zotac and
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On Wed, 2017-12-06 at 11:49 -0800,
Tony
Godshall wrote:
> ...
> >> I ended up getting a
refurb HP t730 Thin Client with a 16GB
M.2 drive
> >> for close to what I
would've spent on an APU2 for
gateway/router use,
> >> and I put a $20 quad
Intel 350 NIC in its slot, because the
onboard is
> >> Realtek.
>
> Nice, what's the source?? I
could use some of those but I'm not
seeing
> them for less than $40 on amazon
or ebay.
Try "NC365T" as your search term.
> ...
> >> The much larger L2
cache
than the APU2 has can come in very
> >> handy if I have the
thing
running any crypto, but it seems to
idle at
> >> 17W on the Kill-A-Watt,
which isn't great for an always-on
device, but
> >> it could be a lot
worse.
Fanless would've been nice, but
barring the
> >> APU2, I would've had to
compromise too much. Thoughts on these
in
> >> comparison to the Zotac
and Shuttle units?
>
> The two I mentioned are
fanless.? I'll do a power check when I
get a chance,
> but I'm running spinning media
(SSHD), so I don't know if it would be
a good
> comparison.
I meant _durability_ comparison.
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 21:13:26 -0800
From: Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com>
To: bruce coston <jane_ikari at yahoo.com>
Cc: conspire at linuxmafia.com
Subject: Re: [conspire] is cabal go
Sat. ?
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Quoting Bruce Coston (jane_ikari at yahoo.com):
> is cabal go Sat. ?
It is. Moreover, it is _this_
Saturday. ;->
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 23:02:12 -0800
From: Dana Goyette <danagoyette at gmail.com>
To: Daniel Gimpelevich <daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us>
Cc: Conspire List <conspire at linuxmafia.com>
Subject: Re: [conspire] Zotac and
Shuttle and Asu, oh my (durability)
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I had last used that site with my old
HP laptop, where it did list all
the parts.
It's weird that the spare part number
for the actual antenna assembly
seems impossible to find.
Maybe it's sold only as part of the
chassis itself, or something?
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Daniel
Gimpelevich
<daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us>
wrote:
> On Wed, 2017-12-06 at 11:24 -0800,
Dana Goyette wrote:
>> HP's parts store is at http://partsurfer.hp.com. You can search there
>> by the system's SKU, then buy
the part there, or grab the part number
>> to search other sellers.
>
> Unfortunately, it doesn't help
with this, so the question stands:
>
>> On Dec 6, 2017 7:41 AM,
"Daniel Gimpelevich"
>> <daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us>
wrote:
>> http://h22235.www2.hp.com/hpinfo/globalcitizenship/environment/productdata/Countries/_MultiCountry/disassembly_deskto_201511423012668.pdf
>>
Any chance somebody knows a place where dead units get sent
>>
where I
>>
might fetch those exact antennae? I don't want to mount
>>
generic ones
>>
randomly.
>
>
>
>
>
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I'm bringing the i3 dell with an i5 I bought . Has w10 , Wanna linux it , pref. with TDE. desktop .
[ Is it normal that built in graphics system with its own ram. works slower that the cpu. graphics . ] .
Attempting TDE on an HD. install of Sparky Lxqt. made it stop booting at home . - cu - Bruce
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