begin Ruben I Safir quotation of Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 10:38:31AM -0500: > anyone ever join ieee? > > Any benifit from them? They must be doing something right, judging from the existence of this astroturf site: http://www.advancingengineering.org/ Don't know what it is, though. -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti/ dmarti at zgp.org