[conspire] thumbs up for Cabal host Rick
jose tav
j_tav at yahoo.com
Sun Nov 13 13:05:07 PST 2011
As always Rick bends backwards to satisfy his guests comfort and needs.
I also enjoyed the company of all the present,
Rick, thanks again!
jose
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> 1. Re: (forw) [MaraDNS list] Why I won't
> use Flattr or another
> similar scheme (Don Marti)
> 2. Speculation on derivatives won't save
> your freedom (was:
> ...Flattr...) (Nick Moffitt)
> 3. Re: (forw) [MaraDNS list] Why I won't
> use Flattr or another
> similar scheme (Nick Moffitt)
> 4. Re: (forw) [MaraDNS list] Why I won't
> use Flattr or another
> similar scheme (Ruben Safir)
> 5. Re: Speculation on derivatives won't
> save your freedom (was:
> ...Flattr...) (Don Marti)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 07:23:37 -0800
> From: Don Marti <dmarti at zgp.org>
> To: Nick Moffitt <nick at zork.net>,
> conspire at linuxmafia.com
> Subject: Re: [conspire] (forw) [MaraDNS list] Why I won't
> use Flattr
> or another similar scheme
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> begin Nick Moffitt quotation of Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at
> 09:22:41AM +0000:
> > Don Marti:
> > > begin Nick Moffitt quotation of Sat, Nov 12, 2011
> at 09:38:29PM +0000:
> > > > I would predict that a futures market for
> bugs would result in the
> > > > introduction of disastrous bugs just to game
> the market. It's hard to
> > > > flood the market with pork bellies, but bugs
> and software are
> > > > practically synonymous.
> > >
> > > That's an interesting scenario. Original
> author Alice introduces a
> > > bug that she knows will affect user Charlie, but
> that packager Bob
> > > will let through.
> >
> > See also: "diseases of the rich".
> >
> > > Sure, the world has too many derivatives traders,
> but the free
> > > software scene has zero.
> >
> > I would argue that that's a strength.
>
> In your view would one distribution that operated a
> bug market harm upstream or other distributions?
>
> --
> Don Marti
>
> http://zgp.org/~dmarti/
> dmarti at zgp.org
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:39:05 +0000
> From: Nick Moffitt <nick at zork.net>
> To: conspire at linuxmafia.com
> Subject: [conspire] Speculation on derivatives won't save
> your freedom
> (was: ...Flattr...)
> Message-ID: <20111113163905.GO1132 at zork.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> Don Marti:
> > begin Nick Moffitt quotation of Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at
> 09:22:41AM +0000:
> > > Don Marti:
> > > > Sure, the world has too many derivatives
> traders, but the free
> > > > software scene has zero.
> > > I would argue that that's a strength.
> >
> > In your view would one distribution that operated a
> bug market harm
> > upstream or other distributions?
>
> Oh, I'm sure the distribution that operated it would smile
> beatifically
> and hold its hands in the air and say "but all we do is
> bring people
> together!" while speculators hyped up the importance of
> irrelevant bugs
> they knew a special fix for. Consider the security
> fix where a coder
> waits for lucrative hysteria to build before releasing the
> patch!
>
> No, I'm sure the distributions would be more than willing
> to act like
> it's Other People doing all the harm.
>
> --
> On my TV show, when I say "and where do we put policy?"
> the audience will yell "USERSPACE!" -- Sean Q.
> Neakums
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:31:34 +0000
> From: Nick Moffitt <nick at zork.net>
> To: conspire at linuxmafia.com
> Subject: Re: [conspire] (forw) [MaraDNS list] Why I won't
> use Flattr
> or another similar scheme
> Message-ID: <20111113173133.GR1132 at zork.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Ruben Safir:
> > from wikipedia:
> >
> > Rand was born Alisa Zinov'yevna Rosenbaum (Russian
>
> What that whole list left out was that "Ann O'Connor" was
> the name she
> used to file for Medicare and Social Security
> benefits. I'm sure it's
> elsewhere on the page.
>
> --
> On my TV show, when I say "and where do we put policy?"
> the audience will yell "USERSPACE!" -- Sean Q.
> Neakums
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 14:10:24 -0500
> From: Ruben Safir <ruben at mrbrklyn.com>
> To: Nick Moffitt <nick at zork.net>,
> conspire at linuxmafia.com
> Subject: Re: [conspire] (forw) [MaraDNS list] Why I won't
> use Flattr
> or another similar scheme
> Message-ID: <20111113191024.GA25812 at www2.mrbrklyn.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 05:31:34PM +0000, Nick Moffitt
> wrote:
> > Ruben Safir:
> > > from wikipedia:
> > >
> > > Rand was born Alisa Zinov'yevna Rosenbaum
> (Russian
> >
> > What that whole list left out was that "Ann O'Connor"
> was the name she
> > used to file for Medicare and Social Security
> benefits. I'm sure it's
> > elsewhere on the page.
>
> Like all the other Satmar in Williamsburg. What I
> found interesting was
> that her father was a pharmacist.
>
> and that she strongly resembles Helen Thomas.
>
> Ruben
>
> >
> > --
> > On my TV show, when I say "and where do we put
> policy?"
> > the audience will yell "USERSPACE!" -- Sean Q.
> Neakums
> >
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> Software
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> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that
> Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in
> the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
>
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> the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
>
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>
> "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming
> sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the
> ability to participate in our own society."
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> technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st
> dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that
> one."
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 11:09:52 -0800
> From: Don Marti <dmarti at zgp.org>
> To: Nick Moffitt <nick at zork.net>,
> conspire at linuxmafia.com
> Subject: Re: [conspire] Speculation on derivatives won't
> save your
> freedom (was: ...Flattr...)
> Message-ID: <20111113190952.GA2998 at humulus.zgp.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> begin Nick Moffitt quotation of Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at
> 04:39:05PM +0000:
> > Don Marti:
> > > begin Nick Moffitt quotation of Sun, Nov 13, 2011
> at 09:22:41AM +0000:
> > > > Don Marti:
> > > > > Sure, the world has too many
> derivatives traders, but the free
> > > > > software scene has zero.
> > > > I would argue that that's a strength.
> > >
> > > In your view would one distribution that operated
> a bug market harm
> > > upstream or other distributions?
> >
> > Oh, I'm sure the distribution that operated it would
> smile beatifically
> > and hold its hands in the air and say "but all we do
> is bring people
> > together!" while speculators hyped up the importance
> of irrelevant bugs
> > they knew a special fix for. Consider the
> security fix where a coder
> > waits for lucrative hysteria to build before releasing
> the patch!
>
> How often could you do that before losing users or
> kicking off a fork? A pure speculator might hype
> an insignificant or invalid bug, but a maintainer
> with time invested in learning the software would
> be unlikely to reduce the future market by pulling
> stunts.
>
> --
> Don Marti
>
> http://zgp.org/~dmarti/
> dmarti at zgp.org
>
>
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