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Tue Dec 11 15:50:48 PST 2007

If your power goes out the electric company is not allowed to charge a consumer for the power&nbsp; a consumer &quot;theoretically&quot; would have consumed during that down time.&nbsp; The energy that is not provided and not actually &quot;consumed&quot;. And if the power is out for over a certain amount of time (what is it 72 hours?) and the consumer loses the food in his/her refrigerator, aren&#39;t they allowed to file a claim? 
 if you are a small business and you can not receive orders, or a web-designer, and the lack of internet access prevents you from providing your service/skills, why is this loss treated differently? - Kai 
 Just wondering out-loud about how internet providers charge for their services..&nbsp; would it be worth it to suggest changing the way these utilities are allowed to bill/charge for their services? ((returning to lurker mode))
 <div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 20:39:29 -0800 From: Don Marti &lt;
<a href="mailto:dmarti at zgp.org">dmarti at zgp.org</a>&gt; Subject: Re: [conspire] Communications, a lack thereof To: <a href="mailto:conspire at linuxmafia.com">conspire at linuxmafia.com</a> begin Rick Moen quotation of Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 11:05:34AM -0800:
 &gt; Quoting Ross Bernheim (<a href="mailto:rossbernheim at speakeasy.net">rossbernheim at speakeasy.net</a>): &gt; &gt; &gt; As to writing the PUC, the Public Utilities Commission, it would do &gt; &gt; no good to tell them what they already know and have ample
 &gt; &gt; documentation on and have failed to act to protect the consumer on &gt; &gt; for years. &gt; &gt; Actually, it&#39;s useful. &nbsp;If anyone wants to take action against AT&amp;T &gt; (or whatever they&#39;re called, this week) via PUC action _or_ in a
 &gt; third-party lawsuit that references PUC records, a pattern of official &gt; complaints is fuel for the fire. I agree with Rick here -- the PUC ultimately has to justify itself to the Legislature, and writing to
 your state legislators is another possible next step other than a lawsuit. Just to give you an idea, here&#39;s a law that just went into effect today: if you&#39;re a California citizen, and you have a store gift card worth less than $10,
 the store has to give you cash for the card if you ask for it. &nbsp;If something like that can pass, then it&#39;s easy to imagine the &quot;if they take down your DSL they have to pay you $10 per IP address per day&quot;
 bill passing too. -- Don Marti <a href="http://zgp.org/%7Edmarti/" target="_blank">http://zgp.org/~dmarti/</a> <a href="mailto:dmarti at zgp.org">dmarti at zgp.org</a> ------------------------------
 Message: 2 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 22:06:08 -0800 From: Daniel Gimpelevich &lt;<a href="mailto:daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us">daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us</a>&gt; Subject: Re: [conspire] Communications, a lack thereof
 To: <a href="mailto:conspire at linuxmafia.com">conspire at linuxmafia.com</a> Message-ID: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&lt;<a href="mailto:pan.2008.01.02.06.06.08.353584 at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us">pan.2008.01.02.06.06.08.353584 at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us
</a>&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 20:39:29 -0800, Don Marti wrote: &gt; Just to give you an idea, here&#39;s a law that just went &gt; into effect today: if you&#39;re a California citizen,
 &gt; and you have a store gift card worth less than $10, &gt; the store has to give you cash for the card if you &gt; ask for it. &nbsp;If something like that can pass, then &gt; it&#39;s easy to imagine the &quot;if they take down your
 &gt; DSL they have to pay you $10 per IP address per day&quot; &gt; bill passing too. I have a store gift card worth exactly $10. Not only can I not get cash for it, I can&#39;t get ANYTHING for it. Ideas?
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