[conspire] Fc5 Nz

[Daniel Gimpelevich]

On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:05:31 -0700, Rick Moen wrote:

> Quoting John Andrews (jla1200 at netzero.net):
> 
>> Now I.m still trying to figure out the Nzclient thing.The runclient.sh
>> has permissions of rwxr-xr-x 1 root root (some other stuff), same as
>> Kubuntu.  I tried Kdesu and the error box says can't find Kdesue
>> executable.Whatever file was copied to the desktop can't find
>> anything.User is root, group is root. What am I missing here? The only
>> java package I could find was java-1.4.2gci compat.1.4.2.0-40jpp-83rh.
> 
> John --
> 
> The JRE & JDK packages offered _directly_ by both Ubuntu / Kubuntu and FC5
> will not be Sun's Java implementation.  They will be GNU gcj (GNU Compiler
> for Java), the GNU Classpath libraries, etc. -- free software aka open
> source implementations of the core parts of the Java toolchain.

Dapper contains Sun Java, just not by default. Breezy installed gcj/gij by
default, but Dapper no longer does this.

> Sun has never thus far open-sourced _its_ Java toolkits (though they're
> promising to do so in the future).  Moreover, until extremely recently,
> they've not even allowed third parties to redistribute that code at all.
> Thus, even distros that are friendly to proprietary code have been
> prohibited by law from including Sun Java packages, except in very rare
> cases where a distro has signed up to be an authorised distributor, and
> that's been allowed only for some retail-only distributions that were not
> lawful for the user to redistribute further.
> 
> Sun has encouraged Java developers, over the years, to make extensive use
> of its proprietary class libraries in their Java applications, and to
> nonchalantly rely on features present only in the latest Sun Java tools
> and nobody else's.  The result is that, though one certainly _can_ write
> Java code portable across various Java toolsets including the GNU one,
> most Java coders just don't give a damn and write code that is
> irretrievably Sun-dependent, instead.
> 
>> The Kubuntu has a lot of libraries with .java at the end.
> 
> Um, a ".java" file is a Java source code file.
> 
>> Fc5 doesn't seem to have a gui package manager that I can look at.
> 
> You probably want "smart":
> http://atrpms.net/dist/fc5/smart/

Last I checked, the Smart Package Manager was incompatible with RPM.