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[jim stockford]

    perfectly okay, your remarks are very welcome.
1. AMEN and a half!
2. doesn't seem a need yet; if the group survives and
grows, probably all of your advice will take hold.

    you didn't mention paying for the machines, domain
names, IP addresses, going to meetings faithfully, etc.
    I guess I mean "nominal leaders", as I certainly do
some stuff and the validity of the group derives from
the contributors, so we do have leaders via action,
but it seems most welcoming to claim no leadership
and thus be inviting as possible to all to lead as they
may be inclined. Kind of a wiki spirit, yes?
    Thanks for the thought and the support.


On Jul 11, 2006, at 12:59 PM, Rick Moen wrote:

>
> Hi, Jim.  I didn't mean to sound critical of SF-LUG:  It follows the
> policies that suit it, and suit its experiences.
>
> I meant the word "unfortunately" (about lack of an explicit jobs 
> policy)
> only in the sense that it leaves people like Todd Huss a bit uncertain
> of their ground, which was reflected in his wording ("I hope it's OK to
> post job messages to this list.")  An explicit policy could be as 
> simple
> as "Yes, it's OK to post about jobs here" on the listinfo page --
> useful, as the matter's rather likely to keep coming up.
>
> Anyhow, though as more than a bit of an anarchist myself, I find the
> idea of groups with no leaders appealing, two concerns make this
> unlikely in practice:
>
> 1.  In volunteer groups generally, only a small number of people are
> _willing_ to do the ongoing unexciting key work that makes the group
> function.  For LUGs, these include arranging meeting venues and
> publicising the events, maintaining Web pages, administering mailing
> lists and other Internet facilities, and similar things.  (Why?  
> Because
> there's no glamour, just ongoing work and time commitment.)
>
> 2.  Access to some of those functions (esp. Internet access controls)
> tends to be kept restricted to avert vandalism.
>
> In consequence, most groups _do_ have leaders, even in groups where
> they're alleged not to exist:  They're the people who get the work 
> done,
> post statements about what will occur, and make them stick.  That is,
> one recognises the leaders by seeing who leads.
>
>
>
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