[conspire] Re: Distro help

Mon May 16 12:52:05 PDT 2005

I'm sorry about the unclear again.

- 'All the icons' mean "All the icons" might mean "all the icons
showing for the downloaded anime files that had until this point been
on display in my file browser
window". 

- I will google on how natulius works to get more information about it.

- 'Crashed' mean its unresponsive and sometimes vanished from the task bar.

- My firefox crashed ( vanished from the task bar ) as i'm writing
this reply. I opened another firefox to go to
http://www.xanga.com/icybabie03 to get some of the URL from the
comment page. It vanished right when I press enter to go to that URL. 
This window was vanished too. I have to write this again.  That xanga
has background sound and it was still playing even after my firefox
vanished. It played the whole song ( that mean firefox was still
running ) I open a term and do the 'top' command but I don't see
firefox-bin there.

- About 30 minutes before I reply this email. My firefox is
unresponsive again. I had xmms, gaim, xchat and firefox running. I was
just chatting with my friend on AIM then I click on the firefox tab in
task bar. It maximized and took over the screen. My gnome panel (
bottom and top ) are disappeared ( it's like when you press F11 to
view Full Screen on firefox but it isn't. When you press F11 to see
full screen. you won't be able to see the Menu bar on firefox. But in
this case I still can see the menu bar and the window border). I still
can move the cursor. I still can see the  webpage on firefox (
www.yahoo.com ) but I couldn't type or do anything.

On 5/16/05, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:
> Quoting Ryman (rymanle at gmail.com):
> 
> > Hi guys, here is what I did when I try to download the file via
> > firefox :
> >
> > I right click on the link to download then click - save link as - OK -
> > The file by default is saved in Desktop ( the folder inside my /home
> > dir ). I downloaded some animes that is about 60Mb each. I downloaded
> > 5,6 files then it started to happen. All the icons on my Desktop are
> > disappeared.
> 
> When you say "on your Desktop", that's a view of your file tree inside a
> file-browser program provided with the GNOME desktop suite.  I believe
> you're referring to the one called "Nautilus".  You can verify this
> inside the "top" utility:  Start up "top", and then type "M" (no Return
> key needed) to re-sort top's output in order of memory usage, as before.
> 
> See if something containing "nautilus" as part of its name is included
> in the listing of running processes.  (I suggested re-sorting to put
> memory-hogging processes at the top because Nautilus is certainly one of
> those.)  If you like, you can double-confirm by typing "k".  You'll see
> top ask you "PID to kill?"  Type the number from the PID (process ID)
> column corresponding to the Nautilus process, and hit Return.  If my
> suspicion is correct, you'll see the file-browser window pop out of
> existence (suddenly close).
> 
> Obviously, you would do the above only at a time when having your
> file-browser window go "poof" isn't a problem for you.
> 
> When you say "All the icons", it's still not very clear what you're
> talking about.  Again, we're figuratively from Missouri:  We can't see
> what you're seeing unless and until you show us.
> 
> "All the icons" might mean "all the icons showing for the downloaded
> anime files that had until this point been on display in my file browser
> window".  You didn't specify, so we can only guess what you mean.
> 
> You _may_ simply need to become better acquainted with how Nautilus
> works (if that's what you're using to provide the "icons" you speak of).
> Not being a GNOME user, I cannot easily replicate your exact situation.
> _However_, the people on Ubuntuforums can:  http://ubuntuforums.org/ You
> might want to ask there for GNOME-specific help.
> 
> > I opened a term and did the command that Rick showed me.  I see the
> > files there.
> 
> ...which is why I suspect you and Nautilus just have to get to know each
> other better.  Sorry I can't give you more-specific immediate help with
> that thing -- but at least you know that your files _are_ still there.
> 
> > My firefox crashed when :
> 
> Just a remindeer, and not intending to be critical:  The problem with
> the word "crashed" is that it means everything and nothing.  People use
> it to mean (variously):  became unresponsive, ceased to show screen
> output, vanished from the process table.  In the case of hardware, they
> sometimes (also) mean "rebooted" or "powered down".
> 
> So, technicians try to be patient with the word "crashed", but need to
> immediately move beyond it to something more specific and meaningful.
> 
> Also, it's your _interpretation_.  Once again, it is in your interest to
> provide Missouri-leaning technicians with _raw observed data_ (in order
> to "show them", and not your interpretations of those data.   You might
> mean: "I was browsing [URL cited] using Firefox.   When I tried to
> follow [link URL cited], all Firefox windows suddenly vanished from my
> display.  When I checked using "top", the mozilla-firefox processes that
> were present until then were suddenly no longer listed."  I suspect
> that's exactly what you meant, except you didn't provide the URLs.
> 
> And, assuming this is a Firefox instance you started from a shell prompt
> by typing "mozilla-firefox &", it would be useful to say, at this point,
> what if any error messages were shown on your command prompt, at the
> time the process died.  That was the whole point of my suggesting you
> start Firefox from the command prompt rather than a GNOME program
> launcher:  to gather error-message output.
> 
> > - I visit my friends xanga ( it's a free online journal similiar to
> > LiveJournal or Blogspot ).   The site allows people who signed in to
> > leave comment. If they signed in, there will be the link to their
> > xangas in the comment. My firefox get crashed when I click on those
> > links to go to other peopel xanga.
> 
> That's _close_ to Missouri (aside from the "crashed" bit).  But, you see,
> if you had included the _URL_ of the page you were on, and the
> highlighted URL of the hyperlink that tends to blow up Firefox
> processes, we would be able to check for ourselves.  But you didn't
> provide that URL, so we have to guess.
> 
> OK, Xanga is obviously the "Web community" at http://www.xanga.com/ .
> That leaves the question of where "your friend's Xanga" is.  And there,
> I'm absolutely stumped -- because you didn't give us a clue.
> 
> Maybe you should tell us what hyperlink on what specific page causes
> your copy of Firefox to blow up.  To get the URL of a link without
> visiting it, highlight the link with your mouse, right-click it, and
> select "Copy Link Location".  That puts the URL on your clipboard, from
> which you can paste it into your e-mail, e.g., back to this mailing
> list.
> 
> > - I tried to save a picture. I right click on the picture - Save Image
> > As. It crashed right before the window that let me choose to where to
> > save pop up.
> 
> Again, what page URL and what link was this?  If you tell us, we can
> check for ourselves, and then try to figure out why.
> 
> > I did  'mozilla-firefox &'  and here is the result: [1] 3521
> 
> Well, yes, that's the _initial_ result.  If memory serves, those are the
> job number and process ID.  But the point is to then visit the pages
> that cause the Mozilla Firefox process to terminate, and collect any
> error-message output.
> 
> 
> > I also open the 2nd term and do the 'top'. I watched firefox-bin for
> > 15 mins and the SHR goes from 19m to 20m.
> 
> Well, that's pretty normal for Firefox.  The point was to _keep_ that
> copy of top running, any time you might want to spot possible runaway
> trends in memory usage or other aberrant process behaviour.
> 
> 
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