css-stylesheet

To: Linux Elitists (linux-elitists@zgp.org)
Cc: Don Marti (dmarti@zgp.org)
Subject: Re: [linux-elitists] A modest proposal to Web designers of the world (was Re: Site feedback: fonts too small)
User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i
From: "Karsten M. Self" (kmself@ix.netcom.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:43:07 -0800

on Wed, Mar 06, 2002, Don Marti (dmarti@zgp.org) wrote:
> The Mozilla pref to specify minimum font size has changed from
> OLD > user_pref("font.min-size.variable.x-western", 10);
> OLD > user_pref("font.min-size.fixed.x-western", 10);
>
> to
>
> user_pref("font.minimum-size.x-western", 13);
>
> The new version seems to work reliably.
>
> More info on the customizing page and the bug report page:
> http://www.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html
> http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30910

Better: use the CSS-2 spec $DEITY provided you to override all font
preferences with sane defaults of your own choosing:

http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Download/userContent.css

Sample Web page before and after:

Before: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Download/test.html
After: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Download/test-css.html

The stylesheet is tested with Galeon and Mozilla. It should work with
other browsers. It's copiously commented.

Take back the Web.

Peace.

From: Robos (robos@muon.de)
To: tag@linuxgazette.net
User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:21:28 +0100
Subject: Re: [TAG] Web development with CSS

On Thu, 20.11.03, Thomas Adam (thomas_adam16@yahoo.com) wrote:

> Heh, by an odd coincidence, one of my assignments is to build a Web page
> using CSS and HTML so that there are no "deprecated tags".

And the big german computer mag c't ran an article about moving to
xhtml/css...

> > However, where I'm used to just cranking out a bunch of text files for
> > plain HTML, CSS seems to call for a more unified approach, some kind of
> > a framework - at least it points up the lack of one when I look at
> > reorganizing my site.
>
> CSS is very much for formal than HTML -- and that is what one would expect
> from CSS since it is *specific* (in that p:left { color='black'}, for
> example).
>
> > Does anyone have any suggestions for... I guess you could call it a Web
> > development IDE? I'm not really sure of the right term. Freshmeat shows
> > a whole lot of hits for "Web development", and I'm hoping to shortcut
> > the process via a recommendation. :)
>
> An interesting thought. I'm not sure whether bluefish provides this. But
> having coded all my CSS from within Linux (of course!) the easiest thing
> was to have a template that I defined myself...
>
> ... and as I am using gvim (ooh, yes, I fixed that problem btw -- I
> somehow hozed the underlying libs), I just get the template to load with a
> plugin.
>
> I don't know anything specific to meet your needs, Ben.

They say at the end of the article that they don't know any tools to do css
work like other html generators. They are a bit windowze centric, but if
mozilla-composer or some other tool they know would do it they would've
mentioned this...
If you find something post this here please.
Interesting pages are here:
http://meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/menus/demo.html
Cheers
Robos

From: Mike Orr (mso@oz.net)
To: tag@linuxgazette.net
User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:53:24 -0800
Subject: Re: [TAG] Web development with CSS

On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 10:31:57AM -0500, Ben Okopnik wrote:
> Does anyone have any suggestions for... I guess you could call it a Web
> development IDE? I'm not really sure of the right term. Freshmeat shows
> a whole lot of hits for "Web development", and I'm hoping to shortcut
> the process via a recommendation. :)

I haven't heard of such. There are several CSS tutorial sites on the net.
The richinstyle.com I mentioned is one. Others explain how they achieve
a certain style. There was one really good site that had an amazing
difference in look in style vs non-style browsers, but both looked good
-- however, I can't remember the name of the site. You can also explore
around, find a site you like, do "View Source", find the stylesheet URL
at the top, and download it. That's the best way I know of to experiment
with style possibilities: find a site with a style that looks good, and
see how they did it.

Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 01:13:07 -0600 (CST)
From: Machtelt Garrels (tille@soti.org)
To: LDP discuss (discuss@en.tldp.org)
Subject: Re: how to apply my own style?

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Artemio wrote:

> Hello!
>
> I've almost done with my first HOWTO.
>
> I got the TLDP XSL stylesheets and they work fine.
>
> However, what if I want to add a touch of style to my howto? For example, I
> want all bash <prompt>s and <programlisting>s to have a grey background. How
> do I do this? I believe I have to do it in the xml source, because in future
> TLDP guys will make all the conversions.
>
> I know that html versions point to style.css, but I also know that there are
> howtos that have the style embedded in respective tags which makes them more
> compact.

Content is done in XML. Formatting and style (how it looks) is done in
the stylesheet that you use for converting the XML into something humanly
readable.

You can see an example of a stylesheet that I applied for the stuff in
http://tille.soti.org/training/bash/ at
http://tille.soti.org/training/bash/mystyle.dsl

When converting the document XML sources to HTML, I use this alternative
stylesheet instead of the default.

I'm not an expert in this but I hope it helps.

Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 01:19:38 -0600 (CST)
From: Machtelt Garrels (tille@soti.org
To: LDP discuss (discuss@en.tldp.org)
Subject: Re: how to apply my own style?

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Machtelt Garrels wrote:

> You can see an example of a stylesheet that I applied for the stuff in
> http://tille.soti.org/training/bash/ at
> http://tille.soti.org/training/bash/mystyle.dsl

And you'd also need this cascading stylesheet of course:

http://tille.soti.org/training/bash/xml2html.css

Another good tutorial on CSS stylesheets, from the W3 consortium: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Guide/Style.html

Here's a site which does a nice job of dramatically exhibiting the variability possible with CSS usage: http://www.csszengarden.com/

Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:25:15 +0100
From: Michael Conry (michael.conry@gmail.com)
To: Irish Linux Users Group (ilug@linux.ie)
Subject: Re: [ILUG] [Q] HTML4 + CSS2 (+ wml(1) ?) on-line tutorial?

I found the following article to be a useful introduction to using CSS for formatting, as opposed to techniques using lots and lots of nested tables:

http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/javascript/synd/2002/03/01/css_layout.html

Eric Meyer's CSS pages have a lot of beautiful examples of what you can do using CSS for layout and decoration:
http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/

More on layouts, including two and three column variations:
http://www.bluerobot.com/web/layouts/

None of these have as much raw information as Dave O'Connor's recommendation of w3schools.com, but they do provide some nice examples.

Michael